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Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee....

by werd2406, Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:47:21 PM EST

It will be a slaughter in the Republicans favor. I've been back and forth and back again debating what candidate to support. First I was with Clinton, then after seeing that Obama had a pledged delegate lead that was likely not to be topped, I figured it was best that the party unite around him. I even ordered the Obama bumper sticker...but now, after the past few weeks, i have to hope the super delegates vote in Hillary's favor. As a party, they must. This is the percise reason they are allowed to vote. To stop a nomination before its too late. If this Wright thing and the effects it has had on the public haven't happened, i would be against having the supers decide but unfortunately it looks like it must happen. Based on personal experiences...

The anger of the Wright controversy is real and is NOT going away. Especially when the Rev. himself wont shut up and keeps saying asinine things. I am in a job where I talk to various people throughout the day from various backgrounds. When we come to politics the mood has definitely changed against Obama. He used to be met with an uplifting attitude by my customers, now it's "Well, that preacher really has ruined his reputation in my book..." I even came home this night to find my very liberal mother furious at Rev. Wright for more comments he has said today and she was partly angry at Obama him self for not distancing him self. Let's face it, perception usually wins out against reality in elections. The ads against Obama will be damaging and Obama hasn't really shown he has the abilities to seal the deal or fight back when pressed. Imagine the 24/7 campaign ads...

Rev Wright....America got what it deserved....Michelle Obama's "this is the first time ive ever been proud of america".....obama not putting his hand over his heart or wearing the american flag pin....

Do I think these things are stupid to base your vote on? Yes, but again perception beats reality in politics and unfortunately the campaign against him will be ruthless and i can very much see an electoral landslide in McCain's favor.

The perfect scenario? Through a deal, Clinton wins the nomination and immediately takes Obama as her running mate. This satisfys the AA and young vote and gets him out of the spotlight as much as where the Wright thing doesn't matter so much. She has shown she is stronger in the Ohio,PA's and Michigan's of America which is a vital asset to have in the GE.

Do I feel bad if this were to happen to Obama? Yes, but something has come up that can severely implode his candidacy. Unfortunately politics is like that sometimes and sometimes you have to bite the bullet for the good of the party and the nation.

Hopefully this will happen but I unfortunately think that Obama is going to be the candidate and we will be killed in a GE. Best of luck to him though.

Tags: Clinton, Obama, Wright, Election (all tags)

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Your analysis is poor (2.00 / 1)

You speak of a "slaughter" when Obama still leads McCain in national polls, even when the Democratic Party is currently internally divided between two candidates that are both (1) more in touch with Americans than McCain and (2) present better policy solutions than McCain.

Your doom and gloom is neither fact-based nor warranted.

by Slim Tyranny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:50:53 PM EST

Re: Your analysis is poor (2.00 / 1)

Actually its very much on target. Obama has been slipping in pretty much all the polls while Clinton has been rising. He isn't doing as well as originally polled in the Ohio's and etc.

Republicans will be RUTHLESS. RUTHLESS. I don't want it to happen but it's what will. Look what happened to Obama when he got everything thrown at him in PA. He lost by 10. That wasnt even nearly as bad as the Republicans will be to him. And the sad part is he hasn't show the ability to successfully fight back. I'm a realist. I would love to have either candidate in office, but I know a problem that will become even larger when I see one.

by werd2406 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:54:58 PM EST
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Re: Your analysis is poor (2.00 / 1)

Again, your analysis is poor.

First, the fact that Clinton is rising in polls while Obama is falling does not impact Obama's continued strong performance against McCain. Go to the electoral map --- you flip just a couple states and Obama wins, even after with Wright constantly in the news and even with a fractured Democratic Party.

Second, Obama started PA around a 20 point underdog. Despite all the empty personal attacks and nonsense, he closed the gap to less than 10 points. He has CONTINUALLY shown the ability to fight back. In the face of those PA attacks and following that terribly moderated debate, he held strong and defended himself well.

If you were really a realist, you would acknowledge that the latest poll shows the American people still favor Obama over McCain. To talk of a "slaughter" with such confidence is, therefore, absurd.

by Slim Tyranny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:59:04 PM EST
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Re: Your analysis is poor (none / 0)

werd2406, while you seem to have waffled on who you support - you should be commended as a person that truly upholds the overriding imperative that we must have a Democrat in the White House regardless who the nominee is at this important moment in American history.

Kudos to you for that.

For all of you that talk about Polls don't show ... and Look at the delegate math ... and it Doesn't hurt him that bad ... WELL, the week is still young my friends, Obama has had a week worse than last week's, bad week and it's only Monday.

It's all about Supers baby and the new super narrative "it's Electability stupid"

by wasanyonehurt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:03:15 AM EST
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Re: Your analysis is poor (none / 0)

Well thank you. Unfortunately, many people seem to have forgotten that a Democrat in the WH is more important than specifically having YOUR Democrat in the White House.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:28:26 AM EST
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Re: Your analysis is poor (none / 0)

We will crush the Republicans in November, no matter what. This country is sick of their sh*t.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:19:22 AM EST
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Re: Your analysis is poor (2.00 / 1)

Sorry. I ain't buying it. We're in April, some six months from the general election. Two months ago, Obama was invincible. Two months before that, Clinton was invincible, and McCain was about to fail miserably.

Obama is new, certainly, but that's what I want in the White House. Someone who hasn't been a component part of the Foggy Bottom playground for the last damn-near twenty years. Someone willing to have advisors who know what they're doing and disagree with him occasionally. Someone who doesn't reduce the opposition into a neat little package, label it "The Enemy", and attack it relentlessly. Someone who doesn't focus group the best message or face to present to voters, and change on a whim at it suits them politically.

But I guess that's how we're different.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:59:29 PM EST
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thank god for superdelegates (2.00 / 1)

i never thought I would say this, but thank god we have this system. Our party seems to have this way of self destructing, and the safety net has finally fallen into place when it needed to. I'm actually sad Obama is ruined, being that it would have been nice to put a nice thick lock on that black vote by being the party of "the first and only black President" but Jerry Wright has wrecked it by not shutting up like he should have, and Obama kept him from out under the bus, like "his own mother" as he said

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:57:58 PM EST

Rejoice! (2.00 / 1)

No need to be sad --- Obama is not "ruined." How can he be? He still is outpolling the Republican nominee!

And please, let's call a truce on the tedious phrase "thrown under a bus."

Time to get used to the idea of Obama as the likely candidate --- and get ready to support him fully through November and beyond.

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:01:06 AM EST
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he's in the margin of error (none / 0)

while hillary polled out of it by many points. Its not gonna get better for Obama, his pastor is right now takling up Louis Farrakhan. let's see the polls over the weeks and month, but in the end, I bet Hillary will be the nominee

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:05:53 AM EST
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Re: he's in the margin of error (2.00 / 1)

And you think "within the margin of error" equals "ruined"?

Heh.

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:07:58 AM EST
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Re: he's in the margin of error (none / 0)

more like how his Pastor is on TV everywhere talking up Farrakhan, being divisive, reminding people of his hate rants, and how the GOP is gonna run ads, and McCain just said today that he won't stop them, and that Wright's words not only arouse racism but anger in many Americans when they hear "US of KKKA" and "US of White America," that kind of ruined

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:15:54 AM EST
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Re: he's in the margin of error (2.00 / 1)

Again, good thing Wright isn't running for office.

I didn't watch Wright's recent appearance, but that's because I think he's not a real issue ("real" as in actually substantive, versus "real" as in the focus of a lot of attention). However, it sounded like he got decent reviews.

So Obama's speech on race legitimately addressed Wright --- Wright lived a life of institutionalized racism from his government. Hell yea he's pissed --- do you think God was have "blessed" the United States for segregation? For banning interracial marriages? For the KKK, and lynchings, and no equal rights?

I think most Americans have come to terms with Wright --- thus, the most recent national polls show Obama AHEAD of McCain. How is Obama "ruined" by another man's talk, when he still LEADS the Republican nominee?

You are not making sense.

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:19:36 AM EST
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Re: he's in the margin of error (none / 0)

I completely agree with DiamondJay and her comment is as significant as anything I've seen written today.

We democrats instituted the crazy, convoluted Superdelegate system to protect ourselves from the exact type of fiasco that would occur in November were Obama to be the nominee.

We didn't know enough about Obama when he swept on the scene and did well in the first 40 states, now that we do know him, were there no Superdelegate system there would be NOTHING to prevent us from getting smoked in November.

Thank god for supers, indeed.

by wasanyonehurt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:30 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (2.00 / 1)

Funny. I"ve never heard him called "Jerry" except by Obama-haters.

Is this like calling Obama "Barry"? A way of belittling someone by using a diminutive?

by BlueinColorado on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:07:27 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

actually, its because it is easier than typing out jeremiah

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:14:24 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

How 'bout just "Wright"? Not like there's three dozen of them popping up in current political discourse

by BlueinColorado on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:23:04 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

who cares? it IS meant to be snide

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:30:20 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

Ah. That's what I thought. More of that Clintonite class.

by BlueinColorado on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:33:36 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

I could type out his name, but ASS is so much shorter.

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:19:19 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

referring of course to Diamondjay. ;)

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:11 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

Its cool I call Hillary Hildog because its shroter and I'm sure no one take soffense to that (the funny thing of course is that Wright has probably done more for this country than Hillary has even come close to doing but hey he's scary and black).

by Socraticsilence on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:17:23 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

You could just say Wright.....

Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!

by hootie4170 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:27:27 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

If I remember correctly, Obama called himself Barry during his high school days. At least that's how his friends remember him.

by Sandeep on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:34:37 AM EST
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Re: thank god for superdelegates (none / 0)

Okay. Everybody who knew him in high school can still call him "Barry".

by BlueinColorado on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:41:30 AM EST
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A new generation (none / 0)

will have its Mike Dukakis moment.

Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!

by Beltway Dem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:04:58 AM EST

Defeat/Jaws of Victory '08 (2.00 / 1)

every 20 years, defeat comes from the jaws of victory for either party, and every so ofter in between. 1948-Tom Dewey blows a win with a bad film commercial, 1968-Dems nominate HHH 1988-Michael Dukakis blows what should have been a win, after polling up on Bush until Bush's Convention with Horton, the pledge, and his horrendous debate performance, 2004-John Kerry 2008-Barack Obama

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:08:24 AM EST
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Re: A new generation (2.00 / 1)

Did I miss the news? Did McCain or Obama get photographed sitting in a tank?

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:13:17 AM EST
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Jeremiah Wright is better than a tank (2.00 / 1)

as he slows down Obama even more than a tank with that picture of his hands on his shoulder with Wright after calling him his "religious mentor", not some stupid White House photo op. Hell, Jeremiah ins't just a tank, he is also Willie Horton. So the GOP gets two for the price of one, the tank and horton in exchange for Wright

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:17:45 AM EST
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Re: Jeremiah Wright is better than a tank (none / 0)

Your argument would make sense if Obama had, in fact, taken a fatal hit in the polls. However, since Obama is sitting in the Wright tank, with a lead over McCain in the latest national poll, I think logic dictates that Wright is not the millstone you hope he would be.

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:21:59 AM EST
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its a dead heat (none / 0)

when a poll is within the margin of error, it is considered "statistically insignificant" and thus a tie. he is tied with him, and Hillary just polled 9 points out

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:28:59 AM EST
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Re: its a dead heat (none / 0)

And once again, how could there be doom and gloom over a tie in April?

Context, people!

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:30:31 AM EST
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Exactly (2.00 / 2)

He's been fighting a two (Clinton, McCain and the GOP) war for the last month, if not three (Bill Clinton) if not four (the media) for over a month, and he's tied. The GOP has been holding it's fire on Clinton (gee, I wonder why....?) and her negatives are rising.

by BlueinColorado on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:35:25 AM EST
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Re: Exactly (none / 0)

Thank you, facts!

To talk about Obama being "ruined" and Dukakis'd is to talk "the sky is falling" nonsense.

Or, to be more accurate, wishful thinking on the part of those pushing that false storyline.

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:39:13 AM EST
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I believe it's more likely (2.00 / 1)

That by the time November rolls around that people will not associate Obama with Wright, then that by the time November rolls around a majority of the American people think Hillary is honest/trustworthy.

Look at the end of the day the way the Wright issue has damaged Obama is not that people think he is anti-American. The polls consistently have shown that he polls as well as McCain when it comes to issues of whether the average american feels that they can relate to Obama, or whether they share the same concerns etc. The damage has been that he's associated with someone who had these views. 6 months from now I think he can minimize that damage.

There is NOTHING that Hillary can do right now to change the minds of the millions of Americans who feel like they cannot trust her. As silly and inconsequential as it seems the Bosnia issue has cemented into people's minds that Hillary is actually willing to lie to win votes. It may not be fair but it's the perception.

At the end of the day America will not vote for a candidate they cannot trust. Obama is still the stronger candidate.

by highgrade on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:06:16 AM EST

Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (2.00 / 1)

I think some people are missing one key point. You have Obama as the VP to ensure many of those brand new Democrats, young people, and AA's continue with the ticket. Even Obama supporters must realize surely the Rev is not helping Obama at all and it's only getting worse and worse unfortunately.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:16:09 AM EST

Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

I don't see how that choice is a winning one...it's Sophie's Choice.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:24:54 AM EST
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the truth is (2.00 / 1)

That the "oh he'll definitely be Clinton's VP" is nothing but a smoke screen to try and attract any shaky Obama voters to switching support.

Hillary's attacks earlier, when she said Obama is not experienced/competent/"strong" enough to be commander in chief, elminiated any possibility of him being VP.

by highgrade on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:27:43 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (2.00 / 1)

ok so let me see if I understand you since the entire country is stupid they will think Wright is the spokeperson for OBama?!?!?!!? even though Wright said today it has nothing to do with Obama
and if Obama is elected Wright will attack Obama the same way ? and since the republics will run ads all day about so we should be chicken shits in anticipations of ads in the GE? we are to assume that this country is soooo racsist that since they are both black men Obama should be held responsible for what wright says ?? How would you like if your pastor or preacher or rabbi did something or said something and everybody held you responsible for it that seem fair right . I don't think the country is stupid as you think

PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability

by wellinformed on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:32:16 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

"Even Obama supporters must realize surely the Rev is not helping Obama at all and it's only getting worse and worse unfortunately."

I am an Obama supporter. I agree that the Rev is not helping Obama. I don't agree that it is getting worse and worse. And I don't rely on anecdotal evidence to believe this (although anecdotally, the people that I know who care about politics don't care about Obama's associations with Wright). I look at polls like the one conducted by CBS after Obama's "More Perfect Union" speech showing just as many people are more likely to vote for Obama as are less likely b/c of the revelations about Wright:

"A CBS News poll taken two nights after the speech showed that 69 percent of registered voters who heard about or read about the speech felt that Obama 'did a good job addressing race relations.' 71 percent felt that Obama had effectively explained his relationship with the controversial reverend. An equal numbers of voters, 14 percent, saw themselves as more likely to vote for Obama after the speech as saw themselves less likely to vote for him, while 70 percent of voters felt that recent events had made no difference - a marked swing from numbers before the speech."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/2 1/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml

I just can't imagine how this association can be any more harmful to Obama's chances 6 months from now than it is now, with the Republicans, Hillary, and the media attcking him on it. Once Hillary and Obama are again on the same side McCain alone will not have the resources to exploit this story and Obama will have enormous resources to counter-attack.

by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:10:13 AM EST
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Re: If Obama isn't the nominee... (none / 0)

Reagan Dems only voted Dems into Congress in the '80's because all politics is local, and people in their districts know their representatives

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:18:26 AM EST

I was once in favor (none / 0)

of a Clinotn/Obama ticket, but now I'm concerned that having Obama anywhere near our ticket will mean a loss in November.

by izarradar on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:23:45 AM EST

Re: I was once in favor (none / 0)

Or an energized white, hybrid-driving, "elitist" base.

aka Mr. and Mrs. Slim Tyranny.

Actually, Clinton gets our vote with or without Obama (a McCain presidency would be disastrous, and we need a Democrat in the White House), but my energy will be lower.

by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:29:29 AM EST
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She'd get my vote (none / 0)

By default, but she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning my state.

by BlueinColorado on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:31:28 AM EST
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Re: She'd get my vote (none / 0)

Gotta admit as a MT resident the one thing Hill would do is free me to vote for a 3rd party, because there's no chance in hell it would be a close election.

by Socraticsilence on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:19 AM EST
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Kinda (none / 0)

a rock and a hard place, huh?

by izarradar on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:21:28 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

obama chances are always weaker then the polls show because of the bradley effect

by awayer on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:29:11 AM EST

didn't in Pennsylvania (none / 0)

nor did it in California, Tennessee, Arkansas, new Hampshire, Texas and the other states she has won, which we can actually win, unlike Wyoming, Utah, and Idaho.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:32:19 AM EST
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electability problem? (none / 0)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Cl inton/Maps/Apr28.html except that Hillary is leading with over 270 electoral voters Obama is losing http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Ob ama/Maps/Apr28.html and actually putting less states in play than Clinton

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:45:14 AM EST
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that site is horrendous (none / 0)

it uses average polls instead of the most recent, and seeing as this campaign is constantly changing, using recent ones makes much more sense

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:56:53 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

See...Obama fans have shown they really dont get how a campaign works from what i've read on this thread.

YES WRIGHT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH OBAMA 24/7. Republicans will make sure when people hear Obama, they think of Wright and hating America. It's already working. For Obama fans to act like Obama hasn't been declining in the polls is a joke.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:42:51 AM EST

Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Thats not the big picture. The big picture is Obama's stock is falling rapidly, mainly because his pastor wont shut up and gives giving rapid fire for the republicans.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:55:13 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (1.00 / 1)

The success of this is already being felt. Obama's stock has been falling rapidly ever since Rev. Assclown started opening his mouth...but its not worth trying to debate it with you since you're so dead set on the world loves obama and he can do no wrong. this is one of the reasons its so difficult to talk to obama supporters...they hate to admit anything that might put their candidate in a bad light.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:00:04 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Please feel free to add something of substance to the conversation.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:03:12 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Something something subtantive like "Rev. Assclown"? Agree with the man or don't, but he's respected and admired for his intellect, service in the military, and his charitable work via TUCC.

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:27:50 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

All this analysis ignores what Hillary Clinton would have to do to win the nomination. It would be one thing if the remaining states were enough to give it to her democratically, but they aren't.

by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:31:08 AM EST

Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Actually, it was addressed in the original post.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:37:25 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

You addressed it by postulating the problem away - the person who's earned the nomination now has to accept VP. That's a big 'if'. A bigger 'if' is if it's enough to molify his supporters. And an even bigger 'if' is if the whole backroom deal aspect of it will be enough to turn off independants, to whom the Republican way of nominating candidates looks comparitively clean. Our superdelegate system is a laughing stock.

And undercutting the entire argument is if Obama's candidacy is fatally wounded, then he's no good as VP either - Wright is going to be trailing him around no matter where he is on the ticket. Add that to Hillary Clinton's baggage and you have this giant image of corruption - a ticket with two barely electable candidates, hatched in a backroom deal somewhere, with the Democratic party's most loyal consituents mightily pissed off to boot.

John McCain will look like the image of clean government and transparency by comparison.

by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:42:41 AM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Not so much, the VP really isn't the MAIN focus in elections. You usually just add them in to shore up votes.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:41:14 PM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Through a deal, Clinton wins the nomination and immediately takes Obama as her running mate. This satisfys the AA and young vote and gets him out of the spotlight

Um... do you have any idea how offensive you sound? This wonderful solution clearly satisfies the "AA" and "young" votes. Because obviously they're all knee-jerk retards who vote based on skin color and... um, what? Can I have a car, dad?

Plus, it puts darkie safely in the back room.

"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!

by username3 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:04:35 AM EST

Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Do you NOT realize how politics works? Its all about adding people who can win over certain groups. Get over your high and mighty trip and lets get real about politics. You're telling me most AA's dont want to see the first African American in a higher office one has ever been? Hell, Sherri Shepard is a right wing nut job and she has said she'll vote for Obama because "Blacks have never had an opportunity like this to get an African American in higher office". Good lord, you really think he's winning 90% of the AA vote just because of his ideas?! Get over your grandstanding and come back to reality.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:39:43 PM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

Two points: First, wedge-issue-based politics as currently practiced is a relatively recent thing, and not the only way people get elected (see also pork, e.g. Jack Murtha). Second, the offensive parts of you post were "satisfies" -- i.e. throw 'em a bone so we can ignore them on things that grown-ups care about -- and "gets him out of the spotlight." He needs to be hidden because...?

"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!

by username3 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:49:38 PM EST
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Re: Unfortunately...if Obama is the nominee.... (none / 0)

I'll admit Obama is taking a bit of a hit lately. Partly because of Wright and media's coverage of it. The main part of it is, because he's being attack from two sides and no one is talking about Hillary major negatives here.

Let's say somehow the SDs give the nomination to Hillary, even though she behind in delegates, states won.

Instead of Wright we've got shady Clinton deals and stories like it's 1998-1999 24/7 and a fired up Republican base. Meanwhile, African Americans and young voters stay home.

Knock, Knock. Who's there? President McCain.

by chewie5656 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 08:08:20 AM EST

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All these issues have already been out on Clinton 24/7. People have decided whether they like her or not already and she's STILL leading McCain by 9%.

As I've said before, the way to keep the AA and young voters is to keep Obama as VP.

As I've already said but which seems to go in one ear and out the other, I feel bad for Obama but sometimes things that are somewhat out of your control come up in campaigns and sink your campaign. Right now his campaign is taking on A LOT of water and he's barely doing anything to stop it.

Want to know how he COULD save his campaign? FULLY DISASSOCIATE HIMSELF FROM WRIGHT. Completely REBUKE him and bring different black leaders from around the country to show that that's not what a black church is about.

Hell, between Al Sharpton calling for violence and Rev. Wright saying America deserves to be attacked, middle-class white town America will be scared to sh*t. Sorry, but its association racism that many people have but don't believe they have.

Let's see how many Obama nuts freak out over this one where it's obvious I'm actually hoping Obama can reverse his trend.

by werd2406 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:49:30 PM EST
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Looks like Obama took your advice.

I agree, we've heard it already, but it doesn't mean we won't hear it again. The media is focused on Wright right now. If Hillary would happen to pull ahead, we'd hear all over again.

Good post.

by chewie5656 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:54:37 PM EST
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