One concern about Obama...

Since its becoming more and more clear that Obama will be the nominee, as a Clinton supporter and Democrat first, I will obviously be supporting him. Also I agree with a lot of his policies, I just agreed with Clinton's a little more. Anyway, I do two concerns about him that I do keep on noticing....

1. One reason I chose Clinton is how great she was in debates. I could very well see her wiping the floor with McCain. For Obama, he seemed to be "ok" but always came across as frustrated and made it clear he wasn't enjoying the debate. I really hope that will change.

2. His campaign. He says he wont be swift-boated and will respond to every controversy immediately, yet when the Wright thing happened, even though it was extremely clear what he had to say and do, he waited. Kinda gives me concerns about the GE but hopefully he'll improve.

 Also, when the gas tax holiday debate came out, it was clear to everyone to run with the "the oil companies will just raise their prices anyway" mantra to shut down the whole debate in general. Instead it was somewhat here and there used but for the most part not so much.

So yeah, those have been some of my two main concerns about him. Hopefully he'll be able to pick up the pace.

Thoughts? Comments?



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Obama (2.00 / 1)


   handled Wright about as well as he could have. Had he tossed him overboard immediately, the media simply would have hounded him anyway.

  Wright crossed a line, and the second he did, Obama kicked him to the curb. I don't see how he could have handled that sick situation any better than he did.


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:05:34 PM EST

Re: Obama (2.00 / 1)

While Obama is a brilliant orator, the likes of whom we've not seen in generations, I do think his debating skills have been uneven, but improving. But I think the primary process has  helped him to sharpen those skills and lately he's done much better.

On the Rev. Wright thing, let's remember that Obama was lauded almost universally for his speech on race, which was compared favorably to JFK's speech on religion. The Obama camp handled that crisis masterfully. But then Wright began his own attack, and Obama was left with no choice but to denounce him.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:11:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama (1.50 / 2)


Obama was lauded almost universally for his speech on race

Only if Universally means Obama Kool-Aid gang - which includes most of his media surrogates like
Olbermann, Tweety etc.


by gaf on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:24:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)


   Give it up Gaf. I'm sorry you're so upset. But face it...Clinton lost. Insult us all you want by saying we're nothing but Kool-Aid drinkers if that makes you feel better.

  We are also voters. And Obama won more of us than Hillary did. Plain and simple!


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:26:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

"Only if Universally means Obama Kool-Aid gang"

So ... contary to all press reports, Obama's speech on race wasn't universally lauded? Odd then that he's on the verge of winning the nomination.  


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:50:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

And as soon as he DID denounce him, then he started getting hammered for throwing his old friend under the bus. He was going to be portrayed negatively no matter what on that.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:49:26 PM EST
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Irony (none / 0)

Most of the people who were angry with him for "throwing Wright under the bus" were also the ones who thought he should have split from Wright in 2007 before he announced his candidacy.

What looks like a classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation was actually just people who desperately wanting him to lose clinging to whatever circumstances gave them that day.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:54:22 PM EST
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Also (none / 0)


   the gas tax proposal that Hillary had was ludicrous. It did not fix the problem, it simply made our credit card bill larger.
by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:07:00 PM EST

Re: One concern about Obama... (2.00 / 3)

Good diary. I do disagree with some things you have said but it is good to engage on this level. I also think that Obama handled the Wright thing effectively initially given where he thought he stood with the Rev. I think he was truly taken aback and knocked off-stride by the fact that Wright was willing to call him a hypocrite after he had gone out of his way to not totally trash him the first time. He was swift in cutting ties when the Reverend refused his graceful exit from the national stage.


by wasder on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:08:35 PM EST

Re: One concern about Obama... (2.00 / 3)

He held back because it was a fellow Democrat.

Abe Simpson is TOAST!


by cherrygarcia on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:09:03 PM EST

I agree with that too. (2.00 / 2)

He did not want to attack Clinton hard and heavy...he will have no problem with doing it to McCain.  It will be funny watching McCain lose his temper.


by netgui68 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:11:12 PM EST
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Re: One concern about Obama... (none / 0)

What an absurd statement.  How could Barack Obama possibly afford to hold back in debates, especially early on when he was basically just an also-ran?  This makes absolutely no sense to me.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:03 PM EST
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Easily (none / 0)

By focusing mostly on policy differences rather than character and association attacks.


by netgui68 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:19:31 PM EST
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characterizing BHO as "also ran" (none / 0)

The sense of entitlement is... wow.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:28:06 PM EST
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He is getting better and besides... (2.00 / 1)

McCain is not extremely well at debates himself.  I think Obama has actually been improving in debates as the campaign went along and I would actually have to thank Senator Clinton in one aspect of testing him on the Wright issue...much better to come out now than late in the General.  I do not think there is much more material they can use to swift boat him since this has been settled "for most anyways".  I do think they will try to smear him with junk that should not fool anyone but probably will some...like he is a muslim..obama osama...typical smear crap.

That is my take anyways.


by netgui68 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:09:19 PM EST

Re: He is getting better and besides... (none / 0)

McCain has been sticking his foot so far down his throat over the last year that it's passed through the other side. We HAVE to start highlighting that. Obama has to highlight that.

We need to harp on the concept that no matter who you are, Republican or Democrat, you CANNOT trust John McCain.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:51:13 PM EST
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McCain's debates (2.00 / 1)

He was extremely unimpressive during the Republican debates; Rudy, Huckabee, Romney, and even Thompson were superior debaters.  McCain didn't even come off as particularly impressive with questions dealing with national security and foreign policy.  The only thing he could do during those debates was toss insults at Romney about how much money he was spending on negative advertising; McCain is a substance-free candidate that relies solely on his personal biography.

It would have been a thrill to see Hill embarrass this guy in three debates.


by Blazers Edge on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:49 PM EST

Re: McCain's debates (2.00 / 1)

It will be fun to watch the young, articulate Obama go up against the cranky old man.  


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:23:06 PM EST
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As one journalist said about Obama (2.00 / 2)

"He is a fast learner."

I agree, and I think his debate skills will only improve with time.  

They also say that the Republicans don't know how they are going to take Obama down given that the Wright thing didn't gain traction and the gas thing didn't gain any points.  It will be interesting to see what sort of Rovian smears they can bring to bear, because I suspect the blowback will be worse than the shot.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:23:00 PM EST

Wright debacle. (none / 0)

Remember, Obama was on all the cable news shows and had a YouTube clip within 48 hours of the Wright issue seeing its first play trying to contextualize the issue; he prepared and gave a speech lauded by many as historic by tuesday of the next week.

That issue was pretty much gone from his polling numbers until Wright started shanking him, and he had to finish it entirely.

As for the debates, the last thing Obama wanted to do was seriously harm a fellow Democrat who is an integral part of our Senate majority.  He held back then, but that won't be the case with McCain.  


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:26:00 PM EST

Re: Wright debacle. (none / 0)

Obama might have boxed himself in by his philosophical  approach to politics.  Will a gloves-off attack on McCain negate his "different" approach to campaigning?  


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:43:09 PM EST
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Nah (2.00 / 1)

He's said all along that he'd be tough, but not dirty, with McCain.

He doesn't need to get into McCain's infidelity or the like to decimate him on substantive issues.  Since he doesn't care about whether McCain wins his senate seat in the future, he can humiliate him on his flip-flopping and blatant pandering from now until the old man flips out and says something... regrettable.

There's no love lost between these two, and hasn't been since Obama's first year in the Senate after Obama obeyed his leadership's request and pulled out of McCain's congressional reform measures (incidentally preceeding Democrats' sweeping 2006 due to a multitude of Republican scandals).


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:50:06 PM EST
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Belongs on the Cover of GQ not Penn Ave. (none / 0)

I have been utterly underwhelmed by Obama's ability to think on his feet. Hillary dominated the debates with her wonkish  yet encyclopedic knowledge of the issues. I also see a diffidence in his response to crisis. He looks great in a bathing suit (a whole lot better than Michelle, I suspect) but he doesn't have the gravitas to be C. in C.


by hypopg on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:30:02 PM EST

WTF? (2.00 / 1)

This is a pretty offensive comment on several levels.  The bathing suit line is particularly out of bounds.  Good lord, we're talking about our likely presidential nominee and you manage to say his wife looks bad in a bathing suit and that he isn't qualified to be CIC?  Fantastic start to unifying the party...


by HSTruman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:41:14 PM EST
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I believe he won several debates (2.00 / 1)

If my memory serves me, I believe the media credited him to winning several debates against Clinton, however, while I understand in your opinion, you were not impressed...apparently some people were and  their opinions count equally as much as your and mine.


by netgui68 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:43:44 PM EST
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Re: One concern about Obama... (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama gained a lot of valuable experience in his debates with Clinton. It will serve him well when he faces McCain.
As for the last debate (arguably his worst performance) I think most people agree - even in the media - that the moderators were vicious and unreasonable. I doubt we will see another debate as ridiculous as that one. In a more civil setting, Obama has shown significant improvement.

www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:30:57 PM EST

Re: One concern about Obama... (2.00 / 1)

A fair diary, even if I don't agree with all of it.  With respect to debates, it's worth considering that Senator Clinton really is very, very good in that format.  So while he may not have looked as good compared to her, I think he will do much better against McCain.  Especially since in the latter situation, he will be able to go after Mccain on a host of significant policy differences.  Differences that were largely not present between Obama and Clinton.  


by HSTruman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:42:55 PM EST

my take on the issues you raise (none / 0)

1. Debates: It's interesting that he has such great speech-making abilities, but isn't as effective in debate.  I think he would do well to eliminate the "umms," "ahhs," and hesitations and learn to give a slightly more powerful delivery.  

On the flip side, George Bush has lost every debate he's ever been in.  I'd still go with Obama over McCain's cheesy "my friends" and his geriatric presence.

2. His campaign. I thought he was pretty swift on responding to the Wright stuff. It was interesting to me that he managed to look very presidential in his response.

3. Gas Tax.  I think he won on this issue or I guess the Clintons lost.  

Here's the thing that's a bit infuriating about the Obama campaign: They have their own pace and method.  When something happens that I think they need to get out forcefully behind, their response is more measured.  They respond, but differently.

I also think he took his sweet time in doing the "roll up your sleeves and have a cup of coffee with the folks" stuff.  But he did it and I think it worked.


by ksh on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:57:27 PM EST

One concern about ksh... (none / 0)

I have one concern about you: why you have only one (or two? or 3?) concerns with Obama? I have much more concerns about him, which making Obama unacceptable candidate (for me).


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:06:32 PM EST

Concerns? (none / 0)

I'd say Obama addressed each one of these issues pretty well. After all, he beat the "inevitable" nominee by staging a crafty, disciplined, well-financed, and well-run campaign.


Often wrong; seldom in doubt.
by Goober Pea on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:13:35 PM EST

Too many reversals? (2.00 / 1)

Here's my concern. As a (now ex) Clinton supporter, I realize it may be interpreted as a concert troll, but here goes.

When he came out against the gas tax holiday, and had to explain his enthusiastic support for them in 2000, he had to explain that he had learned they didn't work; in essence, he was wrong back then.

Wright: he was wrong not to speak up earlier.

Energy bill: if anyone calls him on his slamming the Cheney bill (as he did Tuesday night) he'll need to explain away his voting for it. Will he say he was wrong then and knows better now?

Having a politician admit he is fallible and claim he has learned from experience (as Hillary did claimed re healthcare) is nice and refreshing and all, but how many times can he get away with it before it comes up against his other attribute of good judgment?


by UncleDavid on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:13:35 PM EST


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